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    Re: Situazione in Turchia
    Risposta #15: Domenica 17 Giu 2007, 19:17:53
    Manca un mese circa alle elezioni; un mese che sara' tra i piu' difficili per la Turchia. Qui di seguito il solito aggiornamento (per chi e' interessato, li sta il bello dei forum, si puo' cliccare solo le sezioni e topic che interessano ed ignorare il resto):

    http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9340976

    Election fever

    Jun 14th 2007 | ANKARA AND GAZIANTEP
    From The Economist print edition


    The election campaign in Turkey begins in a febrile atmosphere

    UNTIL a few weeks ago, Mehmet Simsek, a British-educated economist, earned a six-figure salary as a banker in London. But he has dropped all that to run as a parliamentary candidate for the ruling AK Party in Gaziantep, which borders Syria. He is standing “because I want to serve my country,” he says.

    Born into grinding poverty in Batman, a mainly Kurdish town, Mr Simsek did not speak Turkish until he was six. Yet he then clawed his way to success. He is the poster boy of the 150 new candidates whom the prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is fielding in the July 22nd election. His presence thins out the religious firebrands within the mildly Islamist AK ranks.

    Turkey's meddlesome generals are not impressed. Having hinted at a possible coup in late April, they remain eager to stop Mr Erdogan returning to power alone. Indeed, in some ways, the contest is now between AK and the army. “The military hates AK, and that's the foundation of everything,” says one Western diplomat. But opinion polls suggest that Mr Erdogan's party may do better than the 34% it took in the 2002 election.

    The secularist opposition is fragmented. A planned merger of the conservative True Path Party with the centre-right Motherland Party collapsed amid bickering over numbers of candidates from each side. A survey commissioned by AK suggests that the main secularist CHP opposition party may get 22%; and the ultra-nationalist MHP, 11%.

    At least 30 candidates from the pro-Kurdish DTP are also expected to win seats; the Kurds have fielded 40 independents to get round the minimum 10% threshold for parties to have parliamentary representation. No other party is likely to get in, so AK might well be able again to form a government alone, says a top party official. “That is, if the elections take place at all,” he adds gloomily.

    Yet Armagan Kuloglu, a retired air-force general, insists that, as long as AK picks a “reasonable” presidential candidate (meaning one whose wife does not wear an Islamic headscarf) to replace Ahmet Necdet Sezer, things will return to normal. It was Mr Erdogan's nomination of his foreign minister, Abdullah Gul (whose wife wears the headscarf) to succeed Mr Sezer that prompted the generals' threat to intervene on April 27th. A defiant AK responded by ramming through a law to allow a direct election of the president. This law was quashed by Mr Sezer. Few believe it will get past the constitutional court, which extraordinarily ruled invalid parliament's attempt to elect Mr Gul.

    Some even fear that the court may now be tempted to launch proceedings to ban AK on the grounds that it is steering Turkey towards religious rule. For the time being, though, the opposition's strategy is to play on mounting public fury in the face of stepped-up PKK rebel attacks that have claimed the lives of dozens of Turkish soldiers in recent months.

    On June 8th the army exhorted the Turkish public to exert its “popular reflexes” to counter terrorist threats. The call posted on the general staff website was seen by some as an invitation to attack the Kurds. This forced the generals to explain that they wanted the national resolve to be expressed through strictly peaceful means.

    Meanwhile, Mr Erdogan is resisting pressure to order a cross-border operation against PKK bases in northern Iraq. This has enabled his critics to portray him as an American stooge. Crowds at the recent spate of funerals of Turkish soldiers killed in battle have taken to booing Mr Erdogan and any cabinet members who dare to show up. Mr Simsek may soon be yearning for his cushy London life again.

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      Re: Situazione in Turchia
      Risposta #16: Domenica 17 Giu 2007, 22:01:52

      Senza volere entrare nelle complicate dinamiche interne, a me sembra di osservare un vento reazionario di intransigenza e restaurazione soffiare dalle autorità religiose -Cattoliche e Islamiche, in Turchia in Italia e altrove- ai fedeli . I quali, dopo decenni che sembravano star scegliendo un materialismo spinto, ora si ritrovano desiderosi di farsi dire come comportarsi rinchiudendosi nel proprio orticello di certezze... senza per questo votarsi all'ascetismo. Insomma sembra che il futuro voglia prospettarci il peggio delle due tendenze: popoli dediti al consumismo e contemporaneamente "intruppati" in un nuovo Medioevo. Credo che solo l'entrata della Turchia in Europa potrebbe costringere gli Stati membri a darsi una sana sferzata laica e riportare la religione a una sfera puramente intimista

        Re: Situazione in Turchia
        Risposta #17: Lunedì 18 Giu 2007, 12:31:42
        Senza volere entrare nelle complicate dinamiche interne, ...

        Senza entrare nelle complicate dinamiche interne della Turchia e' difficile parlare della Turchia, perche' tutto e' sottosopra. Comunque posso dirti che il conflitto in Turchia non e' un conflitto tra religiosi e laici, ma tra fascisti e liberali (proprio per dirla com'e' senza mezzi termini). Tra coloro che vorrebbero tornare alle certezze statiste del passato e quelli che invece vorrebbero vedere la supremazia del cittadino (laico, Islamista, Curdo, Cristiano od altro che sia). Uguali diritti a tutti dico io, anche a coloro che non rientrano nei parametri del cittadino ideale cosi come concepito dallo stato turco.
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          Re: Situazione in Turchia
          Risposta #18: Lunedì 18 Giu 2007, 18:48:22

          Senza entrare nelle complicate dinamiche interne della Turchia e' difficile parlare della Turchia, perche' tutto e' sottosopra

           Scusami, ma la frase era rivolta a me stessa, che, con i pochi elementi che ho a disposizione non mi permettevo di addentrarmi in questioni che non mastico e quindi mi limitavo a esprimere più una sensazione generale che un giudizio sull'attualità turca.
          Anzi, volevo ringraziarti perche ci  fornisci questo punto di vista "dall'interno" che, in una situazione così delicata, tende sicuramente a sfuggirci. Per favore, continua finchè puoi a fornirci i resoconti delle "complicate dinamiche interne": il mondo è piccolo solo a parole
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            Re: Situazione in Turchia
            Risposta #19: Lunedì 18 Giu 2007, 18:53:50
            ... Per favore, continua finchè puoi ...

            Oddio tu sai qualche cosa che io non so.  :o Cos'e' che sta per succedermi (succederci)?

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              Re: Situazione in Turchia
              Risposta #20: Lunedì 18 Giu 2007, 19:34:43

               Intendevo dire finchè hai tempo...  ::)

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                Re: Situazione in Turchia
                Risposta #21: Sabato 23 Giu 2007, 14:34:37
                Solito aggiornamento quasi settimanale (per la gioia di Marisa).

                http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9370769Turkey's Kurds

                Guns and votes

                Jun 21st 2007 | BATMAN AND DIYARBAKIR
                From The Economist print edition

                Pre-election tension is rising among the Kurds of Turkey's south-east

                A GOLD-PLATED pistol in one hand, worry beads in the other, Hazim Babat sits at the foot of the mountain range that separates Turkey from Iraq and contemplates war. He is the chieftain of the Babat clan, which is fighting alongside the Turkish armed forces against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) separatist guerrillas.

                For years the Babats hunted PKK militants in Iraq with the help of Peshmerga warriors from the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) from northern Iraq, led by Massoud Barzani. “The PKK slaughtered our women, our babies, they are going to pay the price,” vows Mr Babat.

                But times have changed and the Kurds are beginning to unite, wherever they live. Nowhere is this truer than in northern Iraq where, with American support, as many as 4m Kurds have come closer to achieving full-blown independence than ever before. Mr Barzani, who runs the Kurdish-controlled enclave, declares that the days of Kurdish fratricide are over. He refuses to let Turkish soldiers overrun his territory in order to attack the PKK. “Turkey's real problem”, Mr Barzani opined recently, “is that the Kurds exist at all.”

                Despite its repeated calls for cross-border action against the PKK, the army's real target may be the quasi-independent Kurdish state in northern Iraq. The generals see an independent Kurdish state as an existential threat because it would stoke separatist passions among Turkey's 14m-odd Kurds. They are “willing to prevent its emergence no matter the price”, asserts Ibrahim Guclu, a veteran Kurdish politician. “Yet the harder they push, the closer together they drive the Iraqi and Turkish Kurds,” he adds.

                Mindful of America's opposition and of Kurdish votes, Turkey's mildly Islamist prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has ruled out any incursion, at least before the general election on July 22nd. Yet Turkish forces continue to mass along the Iraqi border. The beefed-up army presence is palpable in Sirnak, one of three border provinces in which no-go “security zones” have been declared. Turkish soldiers in armoured personnel-carriers point guns at passers-by. Attack helicopters clatter overhead. In the regional capital of Diyarbakir, your correspondent counted no fewer than nine F-16 fighter jets screeching towards Sirnak within the space of 20 minutes. The PKK is hitting back, murdering soldiers and civilians alike.

                Ayla Akat, a human-rights lawyer who is standing for election in Batman for the pro-Kurdish Democratic Turkey Party (DTP), concedes that the violence is fuelling anti-Kurdish feelings throughout Turkey. She points to the attempted lynching this month of two Kurdish seasonal workers in the western province of Sakarya. Yet if the government were to accept the PKK's demands to ease restrictions on the Kurdish language, offer amnesty to PKK fighters and allow their leaders to seek asylum in Europe, “the Kurdish problem would be solved”, she says. “Is anyone talking about independence?”

                In 2005, emboldened by the European Union's decision to open membership talks, Mr Erdogan explored a possible deal that would accommodate the Iraqi Kurds too. But he was forced to back off under pressure from the army. In the same year Mr Erdogan became the first Turkish leader ever to admit that the state had made “mistakes” in dealing with the Kurds. His words cemented his Justice and Development (AK) Party, whose Islamic credentials play well with millions of pious Kurds, as the DTP's main rival in the south-east.

                “My people are going to vote for Erdogan because he wants the European Union, and EU membership is the panacea for separatism,” says Cemil Oter, a tribal leader who has lost 40 men to the PKK. But hopes of membership are fading as EU bigwigs, led by France's new president, Nicolas Sarkozy, lobby against Turkish entry. EU-inspired reforms that helped to win Turkey its prized date for membership talks are being quietly rolled back.

                The effects are being felt in Diyarbakir, where a local mayor and his entire council were barred from office last week for using Kurdish as well as Turkish to communicate with their constituents. Abdullah Demirbas had already annoyed the authorities by erecting a monument in memory of Ahmet Kaymaz, a Kurdish lorry driver, and his 12-year-old son, who were gunned down outside their home in the town of Kiziltepe in 2004 on the grounds that they were “terrorists”.

                All four members of the special forces who were implicated in the killings were exonerated by a court in April, proving that “there is rarely justice for the Kurds”, says Tahir Elci, a lawyer who defended the Kaymaz family. Mr Elci is now facing up to three years in prison for criticising the court. Meanwhile, reports of torture have risen sharply, because new regulations allow detainees to be denied access to a lawyer during the first 24 hours of interrogation by police.

                All these things help to swell PKK ranks. The trouble is that the rebels' new tactics—setting off landmines and planting explosives—have caught the army off guard. Abdullah Gul, the Turkish foreign minister, revealed last week that security forces seized two tonnes of plastic explosives smuggled by the PKK from Iraq in 2006 alone. Mr Gul said that “making compromises over democracy in the name of fighting terrorism” was “a trap that should not be contemplated”. But with each Turkish soldier killed fighting the PKK, Turks' enthusiasm for democracy, and for the EU, gets harder to preserve.

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                  Re: Situazione in Turchia
                  Risposta #22: Mercoledì 4 Lug 2007, 10:59:36
                  Perchè Adnan è utente non più registrato?
                  Cos'è successo? Devo essermi persa parecchie cose in questi giorni

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                    Re: Situazione in Turchia
                    Risposta #23: Mercoledì 4 Lug 2007, 11:24:07
                    Perchè Adnan è utente non più registrato?
                    Cos'è successo? Devo essermi persa parecchie cose in questi giorni
                    Sorpresa anche per me...

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                      Re: Situazione in Turchia
                      Risposta #24: Mercoledì 4 Lug 2007, 14:54:05
                      Ogni tanto capita a qualcuno, credo sia un problema del sito

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                        Re: Situazione in Turchia
                        Risposta #25: Giovedì 5 Lug 2007, 22:59:01

                        Però, a pensarci, è già qualche giorno che non scrive sul forum...
                        Adnan, dove sei?  :-/

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                          Re: Situazione in Turchia -  Adnan, dove seii
                          Risposta #26: Venerdì 6 Lug 2007, 10:05:02
                          Però, a pensarci, è già qualche giorno che non scrive sul forum...
                          Adnan, dove sei?  :-/
                          Ogni tanto capita che un post risulti segnato come scritto da un "ex-utente", ma in questo caso Adnan non risulta neppure nella lista degli utenti del Papersera...

                          Mi unisco al coro, Adnan, dove sei????
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                            Re: Situazione in Turchia
                            Risposta #27: Venerdì 6 Lug 2007, 10:41:03
                            Posso assicurare tutti che sta bene; per quel che riguarda il problema "tecnico", probabilmente sarà risolto la prossima settimana con il ritorno di Paolo dalle ferie.
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                              Re: Situazione in Turchia
                              Risposta #28: Venerdì 6 Lug 2007, 10:43:40
                              Posso assicurare tutti che sta bene; per quel che riguarda il problema "tecnico", probabilmente sarà risolto la prossima settimana con il ritorno di Paolo dalle ferie.
                              Meno male... dopo lo scambio di battute "... Per favore, continua finchè puoi ..." "Oddio tu sai qualche cosa che io non so. Cos'e' che sta per succedermi (succederci)?" temevo che gli avessimo portato sfortuna ;)
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                                Re: Situazione in Turchia
                                Risposta #29: Venerdì 6 Lug 2007, 11:07:18
                                Meno male... dopo lo scambio di battute "... Per favore, continua finchè puoi ..." "Oddio tu sai qualche cosa che io non so. Cos'e' che sta per succedermi (succederci)?" temevo che gli avessimo portato sfortuna ;)

                                Ti dico la verità, l'avevo pensato anch'io  :D

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