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    Re: Don Rosa
    Risposta #1500: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 17:41:57
    Briefly:

    Paperinika:
    >>>>>I simply never thought about that. I mean, they have a life, they have a work and so on... but I never asked myself on if they were ducks or people. They are themselves.

    Okay, I guess that's how I thought/think of them. But I regard them exactly as I regard the characters when reading other comics like, oh, Superman or whatever. And just as I am regarding the characters in a movie. I'm not constantly thinking "these are humans. These are humans". I'm just thinking, as you say, "They are themselves". However, since I equate them with how I regard those other characters, it is the equivalent to me of "They are humans", so I'm sure that's my subconcious sees them. Anyway, I *definitely* am not thinking of $crooge and Donald as I do of Daffy Duck.

    Brevemente:

    Paperinika:
    >>>>>Semplicemente non ci ho mai pensato. Voglio dire, hanno una vita, hanno un lavor e così via... ma non mi sono mai chiesta se fossero papero o persone, SOlo loro.

    Okay, penso sia il modo in cui io ho pensato/penso a loro. Ma li considero esattamente come considero i personaggi quando leggo altri fumetti come, oh, Superman o chessoio. A come considero i personaggi di un film. Non penso in continuazione "questo sono umani, Questi sono umani". Penso solo, come dici tu, "sono loro". Comunque, dato che li  considero alla pari di qualsiasi altro personaggio, per me è come dire "sono umani"., sono sicuro che è così che il mio subconscio li vede. In ogni caso, *di certo* non penso a Paperone e Paperino come a Daffy Duck

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      Re: Don Rosa
      Risposta #1501: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 17:50:22
      And finally:

      My friend NuttyIsa:
      >>>>>the italian name is Paperetta Ye Ye...that's more girly!

      Yes, I like that name. But.... Paperetta is the Italian name? Then what's "Dickie"? How could there be an English name for a character that has never appeared in America/English?
      But now I must be rude to NuttyIsa -- she asked about my drawing techniques. I really have no business telling you what sorts of art supplies to use because I don't know. All of the tools I use are wrong (most of them are mechanical drawing tools left over from my engineering days). I've never been instructed on how actual cartoonists work (I never have thought of myself as a "real cartoonist"). I don't know any of the methods or procedures that would help me get the work done faster and with better results that an art director would like. For example, to get the line weight and thickness I think I need, I'll use up to *7* different types of pens on a single panel! That's crazy! A real cartoonist can do the whole job with a single brush, and it would look far more professional than my stuff. My method of work was far too slow due to my lack of proper education (and decent eyes). You need to ask such a question to a qualified art instructor. Sorry!!!

      E infine:

      La mia amica NuttyIsa:
      >>>>>il nome italiano è Paperetta... è più femminile!

      Sì mi piace quel nome. Ma... Paperetta è il nome italiano? E allora cosa è "Dickie"? Come può esistere un nome inglese per un personaggio mai apparso in America/Inglese?

      Ma ora devo essere rozzo con NuttyIsa -- mi ha chieso delle mie tecniche di disegno. Non posso proprio suggerirti quali strumenti usare perché non lo so. Tutti gli strumenti che uso sono sbagliati (per lo più sono strumenti per il disegno tecnico rimasti da quando facevo l'ingegnere). Nessuno mi ha mai insegnato come lavorino i veri fumettisti (non mi sono mai considerato un "vero fumettista"). Non conosco nessuno dei metodi o procedure che mi potrebbero aiutare a fare il lavoro più on fretta e con migliori risultati che un direttore artistico apprezzerebbe. Per esempio, per fare il "peso" e spessore delle linee di cui credo di aver bisogno, io uso fino a *7* diversi tipi di pennarello in una sola tavola! È folle! Un vero fumettista potrebbe fare tutto il lavoro con un solo pennello, e avrebbe un aspetto molto più professionale che la mia roba. Il mio metodo di lavoro era decisamente troppo lento a causa della mia mancanza di preparazione (e di una buona vista). Devi fare queste domande ad un insegnante di disegno qualificato. Spiacente!!!
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        Re: Don Rosa
        Risposta #1502: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 17:51:29

        According to Rich Bellacera's "Disney's HooZoo" website:

        << Her English name "Dickie Duck" is from Romano Scarpa's own model sheets for her, but it finally appeared in the USA in the editorial text page of the Gladstone comic "Mickey and Donald" #6, where she is said to be Glittering Goldie's niece (Italian uses the same word for granddaughter and niece, but in her debut story it's clear that granddaughter is meant). >>

         

        So, if I'm understanding well, Scarpa himself named her Dickie. This could explain a lot: maybe Scarpa, due to being Italian, wasn't aware that Dickie is usually a male given name (a short form for Richard)

        Quindi, se capisco giusto, fu lo stesso Scarpa a chiamarla Dickie. Questo potrebbe spiegare: forse Scarpa, essendo Italiano, non sapeva che Dickie fosse di solito un nome maschile (diminutivo di Richard)

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          Re: Don Rosa
          Risposta #1503: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 18:20:25
          Brigetta:
          >>>>>>Which story? (curious curious)

          Ooooh... I don't want to be too exact since this story will never be told. But I already told you where they are stranded. Which of my stories involved such a valley?

          >>>>>And speaking of Mr Rockerduck... I seem to remember that he is not a very popular character in America

          He is a virtually UNKNOWN character in America. He has been seen TWO times in the entire history of American comics, the first time around 1960 when he was created by Carl Barks as a one-time character in a $crooge story. Flintheart Glomgold has always been $crooge's only rival in the American comics (and therefore also in the Northern European comics). How did Rockerduck come to fill that role in Italia?

          >>>>>>Italy (where, on the contrary, he is used much more often than Flinthearth Glomgold).

          Is Glomgold used *at all* in the Italian stories? (Remember, almost all that you ever saw in ZIO PAPERONE was the American/Northern European "Duck Universe".)

          >>>>>How come you used him in your Life of $crooge?

          Because he *was* created by Barks, and because by then I knew he was a major character in Italian comics, so I did it as a tip-of-the-hat to the Duckfans in my (father's) homeland. I did it just to please all of you, as I knew the story would eventually be published there. That "Life of $crooge" appearance was the second and last time Rockerduck has ever been seen in America.

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            Re: Don Rosa
            Risposta #1504: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 18:21:37
            I did it again! I meant "Brigitta"...

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              Re: Don Rosa
              Risposta #1505: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 18:40:27
              Is Glomgold used *at all* in the Italian stories? (Remember, almost all that you ever saw in ZIO PAPERONE was the American/Northern European "Duck Universe".)


              Glomgold is a rarity here ;D

              I think italians imagine Glomgold as an enemy very very tough which Scrooge has someting personal with him (as you show in you Lo$ chapter)...I think that if he would be so used here like in the USA he could lost his "charm" :)

              it's like "oh my God, there's Flinty?! that will be a good story!!" ;D

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                Re: Don Rosa
                Risposta #1506: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 18:55:05
                Paperinika:
                >>>>>Ok I understand the problems a story with Hortense, Della or her husband may cause, but... what about Ludwig? Why should he be dead?

                Don't ask me! Ask Egmont. All they told me was they didn't want him used and he was "officially dead".  I wanted to use him! (And I still did, sneaking him into a few stories, such as "A Little Something Special".)

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                  Re: Don Rosa
                  Risposta #1507: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 19:15:39
                  >>>>>And speaking of Mr Rockerduck... I seem to remember that he is not a very popular character in America

                  He is a virtually UNKNOWN character in America. He has been seen TWO times in the entire history of American comics, the first time around 1960 when he was created by Carl Barks as a one-time character in a $crooge story. Flintheart Glomgold has always been $crooge's only rival in the American comics (and therefore also in the Northern European comics). How did Rockerduck come to fill that role in Italia?

                  Rockerduck became a frequently used character both in Italian and Studio stories before Glomgold (since 1963):
                  http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=RKD&view=4&c1=date
                  Even Glomgold first non-Barksian appearences were Italian, but he became a recurring character only in Egmont stories since 1979:
                   http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=FLG&view=4&c1=date
                  YOU were the first after Barks to use him in an American story!
                  http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=AR+102




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                    Re: Don Rosa
                    Risposta #1508: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 19:18:09
                    "Dippy Dawg":
                    >>>>>So, you think that Matilda and Ludwig are married? Well, I don't agree: this would mean that Ludwig is the Donald's uncle! It seems too strange to me!

                    "Strange"?! But... that's what Ludwig has always been said to be, ever since he was created in 1961 as the weekly host of "The Wonderful World of Color" TV series. He's Donald's uncle. He only appeared briefly in American comic books in 1961-62, and at the time was even used once by Carl Barks. He then appeared for decades in the American DD newspaper strip, always as "Donald's Uncle Ludwig".
                    Not so in Italia? Somebody goofed.

                    "Dippy Dawg":
                    >>>>> Quindi pensi che Matilda e Pico siano sposati? Beh, non sono d'accordo: questo significherebbe che Pico è lo zio di Paperino! Mi sembra molto strano!

                    "Strano"?! Ma... è così che è sempre stato definito Pico, fin da quando fu creato nel 1961 come ospite settimanale della serie TV "The Wonderful World of Colour". E' lo zio di Paperino. E' apparso brevemente negli albi americani solo nel 1961-62, e a quel tempo fa usato anche una volta da Carl Barks. Poi è apparso per decenni sulle strisce americane di Paperino, sempre come "Pico, lo zio di Paperino".
                    Non è così in Italia? Qualcuno si è confuso.
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                      Re: Don Rosa
                      Risposta #1509: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 19:36:22
                      Brigetta:
                      >>>>>>Which story? (curious curious)

                      Ooooh... I don't want to be too exact since this story will never be told. But I already told you where they are stranded. Which of my stories involved such a valley?

                      >>>>>And speaking of Mr Rockerduck... I seem to remember that he is not a very popular character in America

                      He is a virtually UNKNOWN character in America. He has been seen TWO times in the entire history of American comics, the first time around 1960 when he was created by Carl Barks as a one-time character in a $crooge story. Flintheart Glomgold has always been $crooge's only rival in the American comics (and therefore also in the Northern European comics). How did Rockerduck come to fill that role in Italia?

                      >>>>>>Italy (where, on the contrary, he is used much more often than Flinthearth Glomgold).

                      Is Glomgold used *at all* in the Italian stories? (Remember, almost all that you ever saw in ZIO PAPERONE was the American/Northern European "Duck Universe".)

                      >>>>>How come you used him in your Life of $crooge?

                      Because he *was* created by Barks, and because by then I knew he was a major character in Italian comics, so I did it as a tip-of-the-hat to the Duckfans in my (father's) homeland. I did it just to please all of you, as I knew the story would eventually be published there. That "Life of $crooge" appearance was the second and last time Rockerduck has ever been seen in America.
                      Brigitta:
                      >>>> Quale storia? (curiosa curiosa)

                      Ooooh... non voglio essere troppo preciso perchè questa storia non verrà mai raccontata. Ma vi ho già detto dove sono bloccati. Quale tra le mie storie riguarda una valle di questo tipo?

                      >>> E parlando di Mr. Rockerduck... mi sembra di ricordare che non è un personaggio molto popolare in America

                      Di fatto è un personaggio SCONOSCIUTO in America. E' stato visto DUE volte nell'intera storia dei fumetti americani, la prima volta nel 1960 circa quando fu creato da Carl Barks come comparsa (ndt: credo sia la traduzione migliore...) in una storia di Paperone. Cuordipietra Famedoro è sempre stato l'unico rivale di Paperone nei fumetti americani (e quindi anche in quelli del nord Europa). Come è arrivato Rockerduck ad occupare questo ruolo in Italia?

                      >>>>> Italia (dove, al contrario, è usato molto più spesso di Cuordipietra Famedoro).
                       Cuordipietra è usato affatto nelle storie italiane? (ricordate, quasi tutto quello che avete visto su Zio Paperone era l'"universo dei paperi" americano/del nord europa.)

                      >>>>> Come mai l'hai usato nella tua saga di Paperone?
                      Perchè *era stato* creato da Barks, e perchè allora sapevo che era un personaggio importante nei fumetti italiani, per cui l'ho fatto strizzando l'occhio ai fan dei Paperi nella terra di origine (di mio padre). L'ho fatto per far piacere a tutti voi, erchè sapevo che la storia sarebbe stata poi pubblicata li. Questa apparizione nella $aga di Paperone è stata la seconda e ultima volta in cui Rockerduck è stato visto in America.
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                        Re: Don Rosa
                        Risposta #1510: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 19:41:16
                        Paperinika:
                        >>>>>Ok I understand the problems a story with Hortense, Della or her husband may cause, but... what about Ludwig? Why should he be dead?

                        Don't ask me! Ask Egmont. All they told me was they didn't want him used and he was "officially dead".  I wanted to use him! (And I still did, sneaking him into a few stories, such as "A Little Something Special".)

                        Paperinika:
                        >>>>>Ok, capisco i problemi che porrebbe una storia con Ortensia, Della o suo marito, ma... per quanto riguarda pico? Perchè dovrebbe essere morto?

                        Non chiedermelo! Chiedilo alla Egmont! Tutto quello che mi hanno detto è che non volevano che fosse usato e che era "ufficialmente morto". Io volevo utilizzarlo! (E lo facevo in silenzio, facendolo intrufolare in alcune storie, come ad esempio in "Qualcosa di veramente speciale".)

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                          Re: Don Rosa
                          Risposta #1511: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 20:05:51
                          Riguardo alla "morte" (non utilizzo) di Pico nelle storie Egmont, sembra che sia recentemente "risorto":
                          http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+2008-041

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                            Re: Don Rosa
                            Risposta #1512: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 21:20:05
                            Wait, wait, wait... WAS Rockerduck created by Barks? Or have I always thought so since I saw him in that 196X Barks story decades before I knew he was used in Italian comics? Did someone once tell me that Barks used Rockerduck just as *I* did... as a tip-of-the-hat to Italian fans & creators?

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                              Re: Don Rosa
                              Risposta #1513: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 21:30:53
                              I have a question for Mr. Rosa.
                              Do you know William Van Horn? What do you you think about his stories? :)

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                                Re: Don Rosa
                                Risposta #1514: Venerdì 7 Ago 2009, 21:34:08
                                Paperinika, I was admiring your translations. I can't read it, but I can see you are even duplicating my creative punctuation. Thanks.

                                But translating is tricky even for an expert! I happened to spot two words I recognized even in italian (my father would use one when talking to me a lot ("Ey, STUPIDO! Wassa matta you?!"). But saying somebody "goofed" means it's something trivial. That's not as bad as saying somebody made a "stupid error"("stupido errore") which, not being slang, sounds more serious and accusatory.
                                That's why they named the character "Goofy" and not "Stupid Idiot".

                                Just don't want somebody getting sore at me...

                                 

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