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Dear Don, another* question for you:
Why did you decide to start a story about Kalevala?
Had you already read and liked the poem in the past?
And had you already known Akseli Gallen-Kallela, or did you meet his art during a specific iconographical research before drawing the story?

*(ok, they are four )

Caro Don, un'altra* domanda per te:
Com'è che hai deciso di fare una storia sul Kalevala?
Avevi già letto e apprezzato il poema in passato?
E conoscevi già Akseli Gallen-Kallela, o hai conosciuto i suoi dipinti mentre facevi una ricerca iconografica per la tua storia?

*(ok, sono quattro )

Don, a particular question: i'm watching the tv series Ducktales in english (no big problems, for some story i remember the italian version) and...scrooge's voice is horrible! i know that he came from scotland, but he seems like Groundskeeper Wille (from Simpson)..it is a bit ridiculous. in fact, when a comics character became a cartoon, sometime the voice is something that make fans unhappy, because every reader think about a different voice when he read...what is the voice that you imagine for your character? Donald and the nepew had that duck-voice? and scrooge talk with that strange accent? or this is a problem that you never think about?

Don, una domanda particolare: stò vedendo la versione inglese di ducktales, ma paperone ha una voce strana...sembra il giardiniere Wilie dei simpson...è un po' ridicola. in fatti,talvolta, quando un personaggio dei fumetti diventa un cartone, la voce è una di quelle cose che delude un fan, perchè ogni lettore si immagina una sua voce. e tu? per te paperino e i nipoti hanno quella voce da paero? e paperone parla con quello strano accento? o è una cosa a cui non hai mai fatto caso?

Ma Paperone non è Paperone senza l'accento scozzese che da sempre ha nei cartoni... -_-'

Scrooge isn't Scrooge without his scottish accent he always had in cartoons... -_-'

Ma Paperone non è Paperone senza l'accento scozzese che da sempre ha nei cartoni... -_-'

Scrooge isn't Scrooge without his scottish accent he always had in cartoons... -_-'

i never heard that voice, and it seems a bit ridicolous...and also the voice of donald: i can't imagine donald that talk for long time, maybe taking about important and serious things, whit that voice. it is perfetc for a short, action cartoon, but i can't imagine him talking whit that voice in comics stories...

non l'avevo mai sentita quella voce, e mi pare ridicolo...e anche la voce di paperino: non posso imaginare che faccia discorsi seri e a lungo con quella voce. è perfetta per un corto cartoon d'azione, ma immagginarmelo con quella voce nelle storie a fumetti

I've always thought that Gyro was an eagle (eagle --> keen insight --> genius)! Well... thinking it over, a white eagle looks a bit unusual, yet I must've read it someplace /

Ho sempre pensato che Archimede fosse un'aquila! Anche se, a pensarci bene, un'aquila bianca è un po' strana. Però devo averlo letto da qualche parte

Me too... I read this in several sources. /

Let’s switch back to nerd topics...

Some time ago we in the forum became aware of a very detailed Map of Duckburg (by a German cartographer and an engineer), made with manic precision by using several environmental references Barks spread in his stories. E.g. the area coastline goes by some maps which Barks hardly mentioned in some adventures.

However it’s shame that Scrooge’s money bins and the other characters’ houses appearing in different stories are regarded as different, independent occurrences, so the map shows dozens of Donald Duck houses, dozens of money bins, an amount of Gyro labs etc.

I haven’t got the map, seeing that it was kind of tricky to get it (and anyway I wouldn’t have understood anything in the German captions… ). Were you aware of this huge chore (which is a lot like you, by the way)? If so, what do you think of it?


Traduzione (grazie a ZioPaperone per l'aiuto ):


Anche io... ho letto questo in diverse fonti.

Ma torniamo ad argomenti nerd...

Tempo fa noi del forum siamo venuti a sapere della creazione (ad opera di un ingegnere e un cartografo tedesco) di una Mappa di Paperopoli dettagliatissima, basata esclusivamente sui vari riferimenti (veramente maniacali!) ambientali disseminati da Barks all'interno delle sue storie. Ad esempio il profilo costiero generale dell'area si rifà ad alcune mappe accennate da da Barks in alcune sue avventure.

Peccato però, visto che, per come è stata strutturata la mappa, i depositi di Paperone e le case dei vari personaggi barksiani vengano considerati (in ogni singolo caso) come se fossero tutti diversi tra di loro; e quindi nella mappa compaiono sparse per tutta la città decine di case di Paperino, decine di depositi, numerosi laboratori di Archimede etc...

Io non me la sono procurata, visto che era un po' complicato ottenerla (e comunque delle didascalie presenti in lingua tedesca non ci avrei ricavato assolutamente nulla). Tu invece eri al corrente di questo lavoro immane (molto nel tuo stile, tra l'altro)? Se sì, che ne pensi?

Dear Mister Rosa, I'm Marco Travaglini.
it's really a great pleasure to meet you in our newsgroup. First of all I want to thank you for your kindness in talking here with your italian fans.

I don't know if you remember. We've met two times in the past when you came in Italy. The first time in Napoli (maybe it was in 2003, if I remember well) and again after two years in Rapallo in the Carlo Chendi's convention dedicaded to Carl Barks. After that we've also written each other some e-mails and you also sent me a wonderful gift (a photo of you in your drawing table with your autograph).

Only today I discovered that you started to write here. It's my fault because I haven't read before last weekly newsletters which the webmaster send us. The reason is also that in this last mounths I dedicated only few time to my passions about Disney Comics because of the terrible earthquake which destroyed my town (L'Aquila): I'm sure you have heard about it. So I'm still recovering all my big comics collection (with also all your Disney works).

However, now that I know you're here, I will take some time to read all your topics here to start to discuss with you and all the Papersera's member.

Thanks again and see you soon on this screen!!

The weekend is here and that's when I get busy driving into town on errands in my 1948 Dodge and then doing lots of yardwork on Sunday topped off with some type of spectacular outdoor grill dinner. So lemmee try to bust out with a flurry of replies before I fall silent.

feidhelm:
>>>>>Why did you decide to start a story about Kalevala?

I had visited Finland already 2 or 3 times. And you need to know that no matter how popular Barks' Ducks are in Italy or anywhere else, nowhere compares to how popular they are in Finland! That's where I get treated like an actual rock star. It's QUITE surreal. Like an entire nation is playing a practical joke on me!
But I soon noticed that the two most universally popular aspects of Finnish culture were DONALD DUCK and THE KALEVALA. In that order. And finally a Finnish Duckfan said to me "If you combine Donald Duck WITH the Kalevala, you'll be elected president of Finland." I couldn't pass that chance up. And when I visited there when the story was published, it's true that I was front-page news in every newspaper in Finland, and I appeared on their national talk-shows, and I was the most famous person in an entire nation for a week. Perhaps the highlight of my life. (But I wasn't elected president, which is okay, since I don't want to leave home.)

>>>>>>Had you already read and liked the poem in the past?

??? I thought you knew I ws an American. We ignore the possibility that the cultures of other countries have anything interesting.
I'm sorry to say that, no, I had never heard of the Kalevala until I visited Finland.

>>>>>And had you already known Akseli Gallen-Kallela, or did you meet his art during a specific iconographical research before drawing the story?

Yes, I first discovered his wonderful art during my research. Have you, in Italia, seen my cover to the Finnish book where I imitated AG-K's famous "Battle for the Sampo" painting?

sed:
>>>>>i'm watching the tv series Ducktales in english .... and...scrooge's voice is horrible!

You think it's THAT bad? But that's good ol' Alan Young, somebody who has been a TV star for nearly 60 years... a real sweet kinda guy. I would have a hard time ever disliking anything Alan Yound did, even if I don't think his voice is what I think $crooge's would be like.

>>>>> every reader think about a different voice when he read...what is the voice that you imagine for your character? Donald and the nepew had that duck-voice? and scrooge talk with that strange accent?

First of all, I have NEVER imagined Donald or any other of these characters speaks with that silly "Disney" voice! What a thought!!! As I've said, I don't equate Barks' Donald with Disney's Donald. I don't really "hear" any special voice when I'm reading, but if *I* were voice-casting a $crooge cartoon, I would have Donald and the Nephews speak with just normal voices. I guess that's what I "hear" when I read. And $crooge -- well, he left Scotland at such an early age, and then traveled the world learning so MANY languages.... I guess I'd want him to speak with a very slight Scottish accent, but not as extreme as in "Ducktales". (Apologies to Alan Young!)

>>>>> the voice of donald: i can't imagine donald that talk for long time, maybe talking about important and serious things, with that voice. it is perfetc for a short, action cartoon, but i can't imagine him talking whit that voice in comics stories...

EXACTLY RIGHT.

Vito:
>>>>>Scrooge isn't Scrooge without his scottish accent he always had in cartoons... -_-

"Always had"? You forget... many of us were reading $crooge stories, and imagining his voice, FORTY YEARS before Disney's "counterfeit" version came along. That was 1987. "Always"? Gosh, that was just yesterday! The early 70's is about when I start thinking "wow, that was a while ago."
(This is the frame of reference of a 58-year-old. I still think and feel like I'm 12, but I find myself amazed at what some people think of as "old". You'll feel the same way, too... someday...)

Pacuvio:
>>>>>Let’s switch back to nerd topics...

YES!!! Hoo-hah!!!

>>>>>Some time ago we in the forum became aware of a very detailed Map of Duckburg (by a German cartographer and an engineer), made with manic precision by using several environmental references Barks spread in his stories. E.g. the area coastline goes by some maps which Barks hardly mentioned in some adventures.
However it’s shame that Scrooge’s money bins and the other characters’ houses appearing in different stories are regarded as different, independent occurrences, so the map shows dozens of Donald Duck houses, dozens of money bins, an amount of Gyro labs etc.
I haven’t got the map, seeing that it was kind of tricky to get it (and anyway I wouldn’t have understood anything in the German captions… ). Were you aware of this huge chore (which is a lot like you, by the way)? If so, what do you think of it?

Yes, I am QUITE aware of this major project! In fact, when I was on my German signing tour last year, the Donaldists gave me several huge posters of that map! It's amazing!!!
But let me tell you something about the German Donaldists (Der Donaldists) in case you don't know them. Many of them are true Barks fans. Maybe all of them are. But the *real* point of the club is sorta like the Flat Earth Society. Der Donaldists "believe" that Duckburg actually exists in another dimension into which Carl Barks had a supernatural sight. Their very entertaining magazine contains very well-written and detailed scientific examinations of all aspects of Duckburg life with the assumption that it *actually* exists. (They're even nuttier than ME, eh?) So, when Barks had conflicting images of $crooge's Bin or Donald's house, *I* would just pick the most common or the one I think works best. A German Donaldist must treat EVERY SINGLE ONE as being correct, so $crooge must have many Bins... Donald must have many homes... etc. I find it very entertaining. And the few German Donaldists who treat me to a banquet when I'm visiting are GREAT folks. But the rest of Der Donaldists don't want to meet me because I am creating "fictional" stories since I don't have Barks' vision into the actual Duckburg dimension.
Is this a "nerd topic"? Or "mega-nerd"?

And hello to my old pal scrooge4 (Marco)!!!

The weekend is here and that's when I get busy driving into town on errands in my 1948 Dodge and then doing lots of yardwork on Sunday topped off with some type of spectacular outdoor grill dinner.

*drool*
Are you trying to make us envy you?

Stai cercando di farci morire d'invidia?

>>>>>Why did you decide to start a story about Kalevala?

I had visited Finland already 2 or 3 times. And you need to know that no matter how popular Barks' Ducks are in Italy or anywhere else, nowhere compares to how popular they are in Finland!

I thought that you were the reason why Disney comics are so popular in Finland, because you wrote that Kalevala story!

Pensavo che tu fossi la ragione per la quale i fumetti Disney sono così popolari in Finlandia, a causa della tua storia sul Kalevala!

>>>>>>Had you already read and liked the poem in the past?

??? I thought you knew I ws an American. We ignore the possibility that the cultures of other countries have anything interesting.

I've already heard about that :
But I wanna know... if a young man had different interests from the mass, could he find books like that in bookshops? What kind of books were sold in bookshops? Only hottest-and-new best-sellers?

Ne avevo già sentito parlare :
Ma vorrei sapere... se un giovane avesse avuto interessi differenti da quelli della massa, avrebbe potuto trovare libri come questo nelle librerie? Che genere di libri veniva venduto nelle librerie? Solo i più recenti best-sellers?

>>>>>And had you already known Akseli Gallen-Kallela, or did you meet his art during a specific iconographical research before drawing the story?

Yes, I first discovered his wonderful art during my research. Have you, in Italia, seen my cover to the Finnish book where I imitated AG-K's famous "Battle for the Sampo" painting?

oh yes

Io non sapevo niente dei donaldisti!
Comunque ho trovato una bella pagina su di loro nella Wikipedia inglese (niente in italiano, purtroppo :().

feidhelm:
>>>>>*drool*
Are you trying to make us envy you?

What's to envy? The 1948 Dodge? That cost me $2,500 in 1978. A standard new car then would cost 5 to 10 times as much. Now it would cost twice as much as even that. Anyone can have a 1948 Dodge if they have imagination and are willing to tolerate a bit of discomfort to have fun.
Frank has pics of my Dodge. And also of my OLDER car. Maybe he'll show them to you.
(Hey, Frank! I thought you were gonna show these folks some of your pics!)

>>>>>>>I thought that you were the reason why Disney comics are so popular in Finland, because you wrote that Kalevala story!

That's very flattering, but NO!!! Donald Duck has always been a major part of Finnish culture! I think it's the only place in the world where the circulation of Disney comics is INCREASING rather than falling.

>>>>>>But I wanna know... if a young man had different interests from the mass, could he find books like that in bookshops? What kind of books were sold in bookshops? Only hottest-and-new best-sellers?

I'm just speaking in comedic generalities. Yes, certainly, at major bookstores he can find whatever he wants. And a young woman can also! (Let's not forget them!)
But most Americans never go near bookshops! They only know TV.

Their very entertaining magazine contains very well-written and detailed scientific examinations of all aspects of Duckburg life with the assumption that it *actually* exists. (They're even nuttier than ME, eh?) [...] Is this a "nerd topic"? Or "mega-nerd"?

Wow... out-nerding Don Rosa, now there's an achievement I had heard about that famous map when it came out but I thought it was an isolated occurrence. I didn't know that the German Donaldists as a community were that strict in their canon!

As a great hater of stereotypical characterizations of nationalities, I am extremely frustrated to have to admit that this sounds like "typically German" behaviour...

IT: non sapevo che i paperinofili tedeschi fossero così... tedeschi! (E mi rode scrivere questo perché io sono contrario alle descrizioni stereotipate delle nazionalità.)